thanks for all who helped me. the problem wa that my workmate did not have the esri fonts installed in the system font folder. after we re-installed them everything went back to normal. >>original message Subject: Funky Map Symbols... My colleague has AV 3.2 installed on his win98 machine just like I do. He has a problem when he creates a point shapefile. The symbol for the points comes out as a pound symbol (#) instead of the circle. We have tried various things like importing the default.avp palette and even other palettes such as the crime.avp palette. But the symbols still shows up as a # symbol or other character and I cannot for the life of me fix it. What could be the cause of this?? Abel G. Perez Operations Engineer Enroute Performance Engineering American Airlines Abel.Perez@aa.com 817.967.5414